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Aug 1, 2026
Cannabis Beats Booze, Hemp Bill #3, and Infused Pre-Rolls Win | This Week in Cannabis Live
Cannabis Beats Booze, Hemp Bill #3, and Infused Pre-Rolls Win | This Week in Cannabis Live
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[upbeat music] With a taste of your hand, I saw you. With a taste of your hand, I saw you. With- Yeah.
0:11
[laughs] I'm u- I'm using a Phish song as the intro and an outro, and nobody's taken it down yet, so it seems to me that maybe that might be in the domain or whatever it's called.
0:18
Today, this is This Week in Cannabis live. I'm here with Brian Fields from the Dime podcast, and nobody else, Brian, this is, like, we're... This is, like, you and I sitting at the Chandelier Bar in Las Vegas.
0:30
This is the dog days of summer, Jay. We're out here grinding, Friday, summer, not taking the day off. We gotta make sure- Yeah, we-... we get this done No days off. No days off. I'm gonna give you a shirt that says that.
0:40
I appreciate that. I'll be looking forward to that. I'll wear it next time.
0:43
You know, I actually, this is unrelated to anything we're gonna talk about, but, um, one of my summer projects while the kids are at camp, something I've wanted to do for, like, 25 years, I got myself a heat press. Okay.
0:53
So I'm actually making T-shirts. So I'm, I'm not joking. Like, I'll make you No Days Off T-shirt that says This Week in Cannabis live.
0:59
I, I hope I'm the one of one that gets it and no one else is aware, and then I'll just show up wearing it, and when the other crew comes back, they're gonna be like, "Wow." They're like, "Wait, that's the coolest shirt."
1:09
[laughs] They're like, "These two guys, man, they, they ditched us." You know what's funny about that?
1:12
This shirt, uh, you can't see it if you're listening to the audio, but it is from a now-defunct cannabis store in, uh, Toronto, which was awesome.
1:20
And anybody who lives in Toronto will know, like, when I give you the address, it was in West Queen West, which is where, like, there were, like, 20 shops, other hippest towns.
1:28
It's, like, one of the hip streets in Toronto, and it actually has a cool back. Have... Check it out. Dimes. It says Dimes. Yeah. Oh, okay. Dimes. Dimes is the name of the store. It's really cool.
1:38
Um, but I could, I could do every show in a different shirt from a now-defunct cannabis brand or dispensary. That's... It's a vibe. That's kind of sad, too, though.
1:48
I know, but, uh, there is almost an in- [laughs] inverse relationship between how cool the swag was before- Yep... they launched and how, and h- and how short they were open for.
1:57
[laughs] I, I have a brand I'm wearing on my hat right now that's really, really cool. I don't know if the brand's still alive, um, but I would show people. Oh, let's shout it out. Sicario. Oh, Sicario. What a cool...
2:08
That's a cool brand. Yeah. I got it at my, uh, first Hall of Flowers four years ago. Oh, then a pretty good bet they're not still- [laughs] Yeah. Had to respect them. Cool, very cool brand.
2:17
Um, I hope they're doing well, and if they are, I, I would like to buy more merch. Yeah. Well, there you go. And the swag is cool.
2:22
It's funny 'cause I went to, uh, Hall of Flowers a couple years ago and I got a bunch of stuff from another, um, Paletas, which mean, is, like, a popsicle in Spanish, and, like, the gear was super drippy and cool.
2:33
And my mother-in-law has this great bag that I got at Hall of Flowers that she brings her swim stuff to at the Jewish Community Center at Spadina and Bloor here, and I'm wondering, like, people love the bag, but I don't think she tells them that's a cannabis brand in California.
2:45
It... The, the s- the stigma should go away, but it always, always people are like, "What? Uh..." I don't e- I, I, I don't even know if I told her. I just think she says it's a popsicle brand.
2:53
But we should be past that at this point, right? Like- I know, but she's 80. [laughs] Yeah, but she, she would enjoy some good cannabis, though. Not... It, it was an infused blunt, I think, that I got her.
3:02
Like, I don't think that's her vibe, yet. You should ask her, right? We're gonna talk about infused pre-rolls, actually, later. That's, uh, something we're gonna talk about.
3:11
But before we get there, Brian Fields, um, it was a cool week in cannabis, and even though it is the dog days of summer, there is some interesting things to talk about. The first is this.
3:22
I'm in, on the graphic it says, "Cannabis is greater than alcohol and cigarettes," and it comes from this story, which I will read from, uh, today. Let me just take this down.
3:29
Um, uh, earlier in the week, daily cannabis use now outpaces daily drinking and smoking. Here's what happened. Cannabis is now America's most popular daily drug.
3:39
New federal survey data released Monday, this is on Monday, shows more Americans are using cannabis daily or near daily than drinking alcohol or smoke cigarettes at the same frequency, a first in the history of the survey.
3:49
And here's what it actually said. The 2025 National Survey on Drug Use and Health counts 21.4 million Americans aged 12 and up who used cannabis on 20 or more of the past 30 days.
4:00
That compares to 17.2 million daily or near daily drinkers and 19.9 million daily cigarette smokers. Now, here's the caveat.
4:08
The cigarette measure counts only people who smoked on all 30 days, a stricter definition than the 20-day threshold used for cannabis and alcohol. Although, I think if you're a daily smoker, you're a daily smoker.
4:18
I don't think you choose which 20 days of 30 to actually smoke. This is, uh- Does that say age 12 and up? Yeah. But don't worry about that. I mean, we're not, we're not here to judge.
4:28
[laughs] Just making sure that I am interpreting the data correctly. Uh, I, I'm not surprised. Are, like, are you? Like, to me, if we could have bet this on the polling market, I would've been like, "This is inevitable."
4:38
Yeah. P- we could see this coming. Yeah. Uh, I, I agree, and it is... But it was good to see, and then see the discussion about it afterwards, and there was a lot of hand-wringing, uh, especially on Twitter, like J- X.
4:51
Jeremy's big on X, and sort of people coming back and forth to him. Um, what's that podcaster's name? Chamanth. Dude, that was crazy. I-
5:01
That was- That was, like, such an unhinged post, and for somebody who typically tries to present themselves as, like, a rational thinker- Yeah... 2026, that was, like, a 1985 take, dude. Like, come on. Yeah.
5:13
I don't, I, I don't get... I mean, I, I do get it. I mean, but, but there's been a lot of takes, like cannabis smoking is disgusting.
5:21
Um, and there is a whole movement and sort of Scott Galloway's movement that people should be drinking more and going out more, and young people meeting people at bars. I'm all for that, too, you know.
5:30
Um, but I don't think sort of eating a gummy and going to a bar is any different or you'll be more or less social. Like, you know, cannabis is a pretty social drug. The words he used, though, were really upset me, right?
5:41
Yeah. I, I don't know if we should be communicating some of those specifics, but I was shocked at the, the word use, only because, like, you can have a take against something. You can not be for it.
5:49
You can think it's bad. But to use those words when you have a platform like that was shocking to me, especially the type of vulgarity that he communicated, 'cause it's like, come on, dude.
5:58
Like, is it because your alcohol stocks that your investments are, part of your SPACs are getting smoked? I'm n- I don't know. Yeah. I don't know either. Possibly.
6:06
But it seems to me it's like- It doesn't even sound like my parents don't have views like that. Like, my parents grew up in the '60s, like, or were in college in the '60s. Like, that's not their view around cannabis.
6:18
It's people who are older than that. Yeah, and, like, it was him, Joe Lonsdale.
6:22
It- it seemed kind of timing based to me, where it's like we're just gonna rally some of the influencers to come out with an aggressive post. I- I...
6:29
When I see a bunch of that, like, similar messaging simultaneously to me- coordinated... my always, my- my take immediately goes, "This feels weird," right? Like, something is happening.
6:39
Somebody sent out a group text and it's like, "Boys, we're getting hammered. We [laughs] we need some support. Like, tweet out some really crazy stuff." And they're like, "Done, got it."
6:47
Well, it's- it- I agree, and, uh, uh, it brings me to a different story this week, which I actually think might be related now that you just said.
6:56
Uh, so let me just share this again, because it's lower down in the same newsletter of ours. 20. And that is this. Um, Congress can't settle on one hemp bill, so there's a third.
7:07
Representative James Comer, a Republican from Kentucky, is reportedly working on a draft bill that would delay November's hemp ban until FDA finally push- publishes a cannabinoid list and container guidance it was due to deliver in February, while adding age limits, testing rules, and Medicare hemp coverage.
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Once filed, it would be the third competing hemp bill in weeks, and the White House keeps pushing for a fix without formally backing any single one.
7:31
I say that it's related because I feel like, and I said this last week and I'll say it again, um, I feel like there is a concerted effort to avoid this hemp ban going into effect in November, and I think there's a push.
7:43
This is the third bill. They are bipartisan. Taking away something consumers like in most states is a bad idea if you were on, i- if you are up for election and want to not make waves between now and November.
7:59
Yeah, this one's really complicated, and this is where I think there's some confusion. And the deeper I get into this, like I- I start to get like, why are they doing this? Like, is there an understanding?
8:08
Are we just kind of pushing it all out, right? I- it feels like they're trying to, uh, remove the- the hemp from the gas stations, right? Those type of products.
8:16
But at the same time, the full spectrums, the- the products that people get for medicinal purposes are also gonna be pushed out. So could they have done a better job?
8:24
Is this their attempt to try to fix that because they realize some of the medicinal aspects that people are getting now, they're not gonna get? Like, this is to me, like, them trying to fix it.
8:32
I- I hate the fact that we're being retroactive now and trying to fix it later, but, like, three, I- I- I guess the approach i- is irrelevant. As long as they get it done, that's all that matters.
8:42
But to me, this is another one where I don't understand how DC works. I think also, I worked on Capitol Hill. My sense is that- Make it make sense... inertia is to, the inertia is actually to do nothing. Um- Just punt?
8:52
Or- or to, or to not change the policy.
8:55
Like, if there's a loophole that people are taking advantage of and people seem to like and there doesn't seem to be massive damage being done, let's not rock the boat right now in the middle of election cycle.
9:06
And is there a way to fix it? And it's not gonna get fixed in a standalone piece of legislation, that is for sure, but there are gonna be some bills between now and November that are gonna need to be passed.
9:17
My sense is an extension of the status quo or doing away with the ban is- is most likely, or put the ban another year out. My sense is that's likely.
9:28
I haven't seen numbers on Kalshi because that's not something Kalshi talks about, but- They should sponsor the podcast. [laughs] Uh, but- but, um, we'll- we'll sh- ship to Kalshi in a sec.
9:36
I thought you might be our Kalshi guy. Um, and I- I- I just think, uh, and in addition to that, um, the well-known hemp derived THC brands, including, uh, Sen- Seniorita, whatever it's called, uh, the, uh, GTI one.
9:53
Like, they just got a deal with Lollapalooza in Chicago to be the sort of lock that down. Levia out of Massachusetts just launched nationally.
10:00
Like, those companies are either, uh, not the h- not the Lollapalooza one, but- but Levia.
10:05
Either they know something and taking advantage of it, they have a s- an inclination that this is, the ban is not really imminent, or they're like wild risk takers.
10:15
I mean, those are three possible options, and maybe they all are. I just think the, i- if I was betting, I would bet that the thing doesn't go into effect in November. I- I agree with you. I think a punt is likely.
10:27
I also think the beverages now are too big to go away. Like, that- that cat is out of the bag. But I think it's a bigger signal. We're seeing people want cannabinoid products. Yeah.
10:36
And this is part of the bigger problem, is like we're, we were kind of in this tiny bubble, and now we're bursting through and it's like, okay, we're making a little more noise, which is good, but- but now we need some clarity, and I think this is part of the confusion, is everyone's pulling on the same element.
10:50
H- how everyone gets aligned and pushes forward, it's really, really confusing. Yeah.
10:55
And- and it's something that people have been talking about for a long time, is is the, um, size of the industry and how it doesn't sort of, you know, there's always this constraint because you have to get it in dispensaries.
11:08
Like, that is a constraint, a regulatory constraint, but take that constraint away and more people would use cannabis than they currently do.
11:14
Because there is this, there are people that just won't go into a dispensary and buy cannabis. Correct. Right? Correct.
11:19
But let's say people are shopping at Total Wine, and actually there was a quote from the Total Wine guy today, I'm gonna find it while we're on here, um, that was this, the, uh, in, uh, in our... Let's see.
11:29
It was from, here, I'll share it in a sec. But just like, that- that point alone, right? People won't go into a dispensary, but they'll go into a Total Wine.
11:36
That same consumer, the person who's going to Total Wine, might be the purchasing power, right? Well, this is- Like, that might be the later.
11:42
Well, this is what, this is what the, Eric Brewer, Total Wine senior VP of government relations and public affairs, said in an interview with Shanken News.
11:49
He wrote, he said, "I think there are a lot of erroneous assumptions that this would skew towards a younger demographic." This is people buying, uh, THC products at their stores.
11:57
"It's the United States of America who are purchasing these products. It is literally every single demographic from 21 to 99, and every diverse demographic within that age group.
12:07
Uh, to that degree, your THC customer looks like your alcohol customer." Which I totally believe that. For sure. I don't think- That's what most people think, and that's not the case necessarily at dispensaries. Agree?
12:22
100%. Yeah. I, I think, like, the beverages category specifically, like, changes people's perspective. It's the best thing to bring over the summer, and every time I bring it to, like, a barbecue, people are shocked.
12:32
They're like, "How, how high am I gonna get, Brian?" I'm like, "It's two milligrams. You'll be fine."
12:36
They have a few sips, they don't feel anything, and then they come back and they're like, "I just feel really smiley and really happy." [laughs] And I was like, "I know. Welcome." Yeah. Yeah, welcome. Welcome.
12:45
We've been waiting for you. W- I mean, 'cause people, like, they, they have issues with drinking, they don't wanna be hungover, they know all the side effects. It doesn't make them feel good.
12:53
They, they can't get up in the morning, they work out, you feel kind of groggy. And now they have this, they feel relaxed, they can be social. It, to me, it's a game-changer for me also, right?
13:00
Like, I used to be a, a drinker, and now, like, a little bit of, like, a tincture or a drink before I go to social situations, and I am, I'm back, baby.
13:09
Well, yeah, and you've never really had a problem talking is my guess. No, I'm very shy if we're gonna be totally honest. Super shy. [laughs] Super shy. Um, no, I, I agree with everything you've said.
13:18
I do think either someone knows something or someone is, is- I think they have to do it. I think that's what it is.
13:24
So it's like if you have a beverage brand, you have to be pushing for this category because this is part of the bigger demographic from a marketing standpoint, from a total reach standpoint.
13:32
If you're doing beverage, you have to go in this direction. It's just part of a risk, risk calculus, and I would guess that was part of Levia's, um, decision-making process. They had to be part of this.
13:40
Yeah, and, and you understand the supply chain, I think, a lot better than I do. I also don't think, like, what is the risk?
13:45
Like, you're gonna have some product that is not sell- it, the ban goes into effect, there's some product you can't sell. But, like, that's not tens of millions of dollars. No.
13:52
You can control that between now and November. And they're doing groups, right? Like, it's not like Levia has to go off on their own. They're paired with all the others and they're doing big groups.
14:00
Every time people post those Total Wine & Spirits photos, it's all the brands we're seeing, and there's so many brands. Like- Right...
14:05
that to me is part of the challenge is, like, even when I go there and it's like, how many brands are there? And like, which one am I gonna choose? That's part of the challenge and, I mean, that's the paradox of choice.
14:14
I don't think that's the best approach, but we're early in the space of, like, who is what. Someone's gonna win, just a matter of when. Right.
14:19
And the supply chain at Total Wine in particular, my guess is they don't have massive warehouse- they, Total Wine, doesn't have massive warehouses. They, it's just-in-time delivery. It's very much like Costco.
14:29
It gets delivered, it goes on the shelf, it has nothing. Like, there's no storage, so it's like they're not, there's not inventory for, you know, 20 months in some warehouse. It's pretty, it's, it's a lot less than that.
14:40
And those products are moving, right? Yeah. Total Wine & Spirits wouldn't be holding those products or continue to push those if it wasn't.
14:45
They wouldn't be supporting this, and I think that's another challenge is, like, they're not going back to their investors and be, "Hey, we had a big spike in growth.
14:51
It's from these products, but Congress might take it away, so, like, what should we do with our lobbying dollars?" And they're like, "Well, make sure it doesn't." Yeah, make s- right. [laughs] Right.
14:58
Make sure it doesn't and make sure we can still sell it 'cause the other thing that is happening is, I forget what state it was, um, some states are saying, maybe it was Delaware, beverages need to go into dispensaries as opposed to where they are now, and that also is, I mean, it's not ideal for that category.
15:16
No, I think it's a killer of that category. They've been sold in, in dispensaries for a very long time, and, and for me, who's a big beverage guy, I'm not buying them from dispensaries. Right. So, like- Yeah...
15:25
it, it, it's a tough fix, and hopefully they can find a solution. I have no idea how this works out.
15:29
I've constantly thought about it 'cause beverage is my favorite category and, you know, this is one where it's like there's some big players that are arguing, pulling at it.
15:37
And I, I think the important part is national distribution is a critical component because you gotta get the cost down. Can only do that with, uh, economies of scale. Yep.
15:45
Uh, Brian, are you ready for my favorite segment on the show? Yeah, it's me. Hold on, Brian. Hold on. Let me, let me play the intro. [upbeat music] That, folks, is Winners and Losers.
16:00
It is everybody's favorite segment just because of the graphic and the audio. So Brian, uh, do you have a winner or a loser this week? Maybe both. Uh, I have a loser for sure.
16:09
Uh, if you say me, this is the last time on the show. No way. Uh, I would say a loser would be Kevin Sabet and Anthony, um, excuse me, Attorney General Barr with their statement of, uh, no medical value, zero.
16:22
I think to me that is the most asinine statement that I've ever seen, and for Kevin to say that, who, quote-unquote, is a doctor, I mean, you're just throwing sh- sh- I don't know. You're throwing things at the wall.
16:32
Sorry, Mom. You're throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks, and to me that is as crazy, and for him to say that, even crazier.
16:39
Yeah, I, and, and also, um, that is, it wasn't being litigated, but that was the discussion at the ALJ hearing almost exclusively. Is there one medical use for this?
16:50
And the DEA, I think, actually had a slam dunk and there were lots of data and science behind it. Um, so I, uh, we could make that the standing loser.
16:58
I mean- He's come out before and said that it has medical properties, so, like, for him to then retrace his steps to say this, it was like he, it, to me, it's like when he gets, like, a talking point and he writes down and he's like, "All right, I'm gonna..."
17:08
[laughs] He also, this, and we've talked about this before. He, for the, for a while during the, uh, hearing he'd go on his whatever phone and, and do a little video, and he was wearing a Roots shirt. Yeah.
17:18
Roots is from here, and the Roots people are cannabis people I would guess. But also, like, we have full legalization here in Canada.
17:24
The sky has not fallen, and, uh, most people who wear Roots are in favor of cannabis legalization. That's, that's, that's not scientific, but I do believe that to be true.
17:33
Yeah, he, he triggered me when he wore a Knicks hat, and I had to let him know that I was unhappy with his association with the team and, um, but the team also consumes, right? Because- Well, they play in the NBA. Hello.
17:44
Right. Right. But to me, that's, like, that's a statement that is, is a bad one.
17:48
Um, and he's a big loser because, like, we should be coming out with honest facts and, like, I get being from the opposing side, but, like, let's come out and say, "We want it to be age-gated. We want restrictions.
17:58
We want caps." Like, those are fine. Yep. No medical conditions. So I have a, I have a winner this week, um, and it comes to us from our friends at Little Alerts, and it's kind of data-heavy.
18:09
But, um, they, it, uh, there is one category right now that is, um- Is holding its price even as sort of price compression happens, and is a grow- a growing category, let's say, uh, in infused pre-rolls.
18:25
And this is from New Jersey, and while the prices are going down across the board, they're actually not in the infused pre-roll category, certainly not in New Jersey, but I think across the board as well.
18:37
And I mean, this graph is hard to see if, certainly if you're listening. But, um, uh, tracking 12 months of retail menu data reveals a clear divergence between traditional pre-rolls and concentrate infused alternatives.
18:50
Uh, over the course of the year, standard pre-roll prices dropped 4.25%, this is in New Jersey, declining an average, uh, 21.88, uh, in July to 20.95 in June.
19:00
Now, infused pre-rolls, uh, defied the broader market price compression, increased by 2.51% over the same period, climbing from 29.46 in July to 30.2 in June. So there is a category.
19:14
[laughs] So my, my winner is people producing, uh, uh, uh, infused pre-rolls certainly in New Jersey, but probably other places, too. Um, I just like seeing categories that are not falling off a cliff. That’s my winner.
19:27
Sure. I, I mean, pre-rolls to me are a great category. Infused, I get a little concerned when I see newer consumers trying those, um- Oh, yeah. That- Don’t do that... that, that to me, like, m- little more concerning.
19:38
But listen, holding certain categories, it gets really good, but I think teams should be continuing to think, like, categories aren't gonna hold, right? Those prices has gotta be coming down- Yeah...
19:45
and you have to be thinking about internally what does it cost to produce these products? Because when it does come down, we need to be operating here today, not in six weeks when it's surprising drops. Yeah. Yeah.
19:56
And if you know this product now is doing well, how as a, as a retailer to take advantage of that to do a couple things you wanna do, right?
20:04
Attract and retain new customers, but especially retain new customers, sell other products without quite the, the hold on the price, like actually sort of how to work that into both your team and your sales strategy and marketing strategy and all those things.
20:16
Um, yeah, so that's my winner of the week. It's so nerdy. It's very cannabis nerdy, my winner. I, I continue to think, though, like there's so many brands.
20:23
I got to go to a dispensary here in Long Island for the first time, like a new one for me, and I was overwhelmed by all the different products.
20:29
Like it was, I don't know, 200 different flower, types of flower, like 100 different edible brands, and I'm asking everyone who's very knowledgeable about all this stuff, but like I was almost overwhelmed. Yeah.
20:40
That's not great strategy from a retail perspective, no offense to that dispensary. No, I think they should...
20:45
Like I, I almost thought about, like, hey, like if you didn't have four different full cases and was like, "Here's the three different choices," to me, I, I understand why they take all those products because they're figuring it out, like they wanna see what sells.
20:57
But like I don't know if like that's the best approach. And I would even push people to a specific dispensary if it had less options- Yeah...
21:05
and maybe that's like counterintuitive to some of these brands but like I, I think that's the better approach.
21:09
Yeah, and we talk to retail folks all the time about their, uh, inventory and array of product, and that doesn't help people buy more- No... what you just described.
21:17
It actually, uh, uh, people buy less and be more confused, and it's hard on the staff, too. And then it doesn't break down for retailer what is actually driving your bottom line, right?
21:26
Like with those 10 pro- you know, low, medium, high, you know, three per category, then every subcategory, like pre-rolls breaks down in four different categories, right?
21:35
Like multi-pack, single, big, small, all those things. Infused, not. Like you really have to do data analysis around it. It's really hard to do if you have 400 things on, uh, SKUs. Like- It's, it's crazy.
21:46
And then people are asking like, "Okay, well, like I wanna be awake. I wa- I wanna go to sleep," or, "I've got pain." And then he's like, "You gotta come over here." And he's like, "But I don't want it to be too strong."
21:53
He's like, "Then you gotta go over here." And it's like it's just insane. Um, and I think, I feel bad for the staff, too, right, who has to like understand all these products, track all that stuff.
22:00
And then, you know, we, we've, we understand the double discounting and all that stuff from a price standpoint, but like that's really hard to track all those things. Yeah.
22:06
And you know, to me it's like it's signs of like a, a newer age industry that has to understand, okay, this is...
22:11
We're making it more complicated for ourselves than we really have to and over time we'll realize like if we just halved our SKU products, like it'd be easier for us internally also. Yeah. Well, this is what, uh...
22:20
I've had part of this conversation with Ryan Crandall at, uh, Meramed, and I know you have, too. I listened to the whole thing and then I dropped the word bomb bags, 'cause I learned it from your conversation with him.
22:29
In the conversation he was like, "Oh my God, we're like really deep," and I'm like, "We're really deep in it, brother." Yeah. Yeah. Oh, listen, that's the right approach.
22:35
Um, and like the edibles, too, is like there are so many choices. And- Yeah...
22:39
I kept, I asked, I asked every one of the staff members like which one is like the best-selling one, 'cause I'm always curious like how that goes, how people make those decisions. Right.
22:46
And, uh, found a couple brands that like I hadn't had really experience with and got to buy them. Well, Brian Fields, maybe it's just gonna be you and me from now on, on this show.
22:56
Maybe I'm the biggest winner for this week. [laughs] You're the big winner because you got to join me. I do appreciate it. Find the Dime podcast wherever you find your podcasts. It's really good. You will learn a lot.
23:06
Thank you, sir. I learned a lot from your podcast. I appreciate that, dude. We, uh- I, I wanna What'd you say? I'm gonna go on the podcast if you want. I'm looking forward to having you on and it'll just be you and me.
23:18
Don't tell Jeremy. I won't tell Jer- [laughs] Fuck that guy. Um, believe me, he won't listen to the...
23:22
And he won't listen to the 23rd minute of this podcast or of this show, but Brian, I do appreciate you joining us here today, uh, and the dog days of summer, and we will connect with you, uh, if not on this show or some digital format, in person later in the year.
23:35
Sound good? Thanks, brother. All right. We'll talk to you soon. Bye. [upbeat music]
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